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Orchard Folks | Fruit Tree Care Classes with Greg Peterson

Present Introduction

Hello, everybody. You’re listening to the City Forestry Radio Present and Podcast, and I am your host, Susan Poizner of the Fruit Tree Care Coaching web site, OrchardPeople. com. That is the 98th episode of this month-to-month present.

98th episode, oh my goodness. And each different episode has gone out reside on the web primarily based radio station RealityRadio101. com. Nicely this week, because of a medical emergency amongst the employees on the station… We will be broadcasting reside on Orchard Folks’s YouTube channel as an alternative. So that is actually new for me.

We will simply give this a strive. I hope you guys will discover the feed and I hope you’ll ship in your feedback and your questions as you at all times do after we play the reside present on the radio. I additionally wished to share right this moment that in January, it is going to be episode 100 of this present. Oh my goodness. 100. And we’re going to change the identify of the present.

So, I’ll announce the identify within the subsequent episode, however within the meantime, in case you do not wish to get misplaced in area, if you would like to have the ability to discover this present after the identify change, I’d counsel you go proper now to Apple Podcasts, discover the City Forestry Radio Present and Podcast, And subscribe, as a result of from what I perceive, when you’re subscribed to this podcast, even when the identify is modified, you’ll be notified of future episodes.

So hopefully you’ll discover us there. However now we’ve got an incredible present developing right this moment. And I’m excited to dig in.

Fruit Tree Classes for New Growers Introduction

In right this moment’s episode of the City Forestry Radio Present, we’re gonna look again. We’re gonna begin eager about what it is like to begin over again. And plant an orchard. And even only a few fruit bushes.

What are the issues you’ll take into account? What are the teachings you’ll convey with you out of your first orchard? And so my particular visitor right this moment is Greg Peterson. Hiya, Greg. Hey, how we doing? I am excited to be right here.

Why Greg is transferring to a brand new website to develop his fruit bushes

Sure, so Greg, you’re from urbanfarm. org and you’ve got been rising fruit bushes for 30 years in a single website.

30 years. That is Proper? So, sure, 30 years at one website, however 47 years whole. Nicely, contemplating you are 28 years previous, that does not make any sense. It simply does not. The numbers do not add up, however that is okay. So in right this moment’s present, I would adore it, we’ll begin off with you, in case you might inform us the story. Why did you progress?

What’s the transfer like? After which we will go and spotlight 5 classes that you’ve got taken with you out of your earlier website. To your new website. And these will probably be classes that we will all study from whether or not we’re going to a brand new website, or we simply wish to speed up our success in our present location by not making the goofy errors that all of us make.

Does that sound like a plan? Let’s do it. Okay, let’s do that. So Greg, to begin with, are you able to inform me a little bit bit, inform me your story, the place had been you rising your fruit bushes earlier than? And why have you ever, why are you transferring? Nice query. So I really lived in Phoenix. Phoenix, Arizona, the desert for 54 years. I planted my first fruit bushes in Phoenix, Arizona in 1974, once I was 14 years previous.

And, I simply was hooked round that very same time. I wrote a paper for my eighth grade biology class on how we had been overfishing the oceans. So I knew that there was one thing up with our meals system approach again then. After which in 1991, I found permaculture. And I wish to name permaculture the artwork and science of working with nature.

So how will we work within the stream of nature slightly than in opposition to nature? Trigger we human beings suppose we all know easy methods to do it higher than nature. And I received information for you. nature at all times bats final. Nature is at all times going to win. So our greatest case is that we begin taking note of nature after which, work with nature slightly than in opposition to nature.

So that is what I do. And over the previous 32 years in Phoenix, I created an area referred to as the city farm. It was proper in the course of Phoenix. It was a 3rd of an acre. That is 80 ft extensive and 160 ft deep. And on it, I had about 80 fruit bushes. I had gardens, I had an previous progress meals forest, so over time what I did is I planted open pollinated seeds and at any given second there have been 20 or 30 issues to eat within the yard, simply to exit and harvest.

I had photo voltaic panels on the roof, we had chickens out again, it was a, an previous progress meals forest. I like that. Sounds superb. Yeah. Like with such a stupendous backyard and so many, a lot abundance, what would make you progress away? What was I considering? What had been you considering, Greg? So bear in mind I stated I lived in Phoenix for 54 years.

Yeah. Phoenix is 4. 7 million individuals. And whereas it does not make sense to most individuals, as in the event that they’re watching me on social media and stuff, I am a little bit of an introvert. So I like quiet and Phoenix is by no means, form, or type quiet. And once I’m about 15 years in the past, I began my buddies began telling my family and friends that once I, when my mother and father handed away, that I’d be transferring some place quiet and I used to be considering it was going to be, 100 miles outdoors of Phoenix and Cornville or, someplace like that, someplace near Phoenix and.

After I met Heidi 10 years in the past, Heidi’s my life accomplice and I informed her, Hey, I am, I wish to go someplace quiet sometime. And she or he stated, effectively, we won’t depart Phoenix as a result of all my shoppers, she’s a yoga trainer. All my shoppers are in Phoenix. So I simply figured I used to be in Phoenix eternally. After which the pandemic hit and she or he needed to put her lessons on-line all in about two weeks.

And a yr into that, she checked out me and she or he stated, all proper, Greg, the place do you wish to transfer? And so she continues right here. We’re three, 4 years later. She’s persevering with to do all of her yoga lessons on-line. I do numerous the work that I do on-line. And so we began wanting, effectively, let me put it this fashion. She began wanting and, Got here up with Asheville, North Carolina.

And I had some buddies right here and she or he had some buddies right here. And I stated to her, what are you, what, that is all the best way on the opposite aspect of the nation. And we got here and visited and fell in love with the place. A few issues occurred for me. After I got here right here, we discovered a home. That is a 4, 4 factors.

two acres, about quarter-hour outdoors of downtown Asheville. And once I got here to vet this property in December of 21, 2021, I, I needed to come and have a look at the property earlier than we purchased it. a few issues occurred for me. I noticed billboards. One of many billboards I noticed was, get your native compost from us.

On a billboard. The opposite one I noticed was it stated, obtain your, the native farm app. Your native farms are open. A group of 80, 000 individuals has an area farm app. I am getting chills sharing that proper now. So it was like, all proper, effectively, I discovered my house as a result of I’ve been so intensely concerned with meals and native meals for Ford over 4 a long time.

That, coming to some place that actually, values, native meals was a bit thoughts blowing to me that it was really right here. So there you go. That is, the way it occurred. I, after which earlier than we knew it, we had been. We arrived on April twenty second. That was Earth Day 2022. And so we have been right here nearly two years now, and we’re getting settled in.

And in case you can see my image behind me, that is my entrance yard in June. excuse me, in June, and proper now looking the entrance door, all of these bushes have misplaced their leaves, so I can see the mountains on the opposite aspect. Wow, unimaginable.

Greg’s First Lesson: Wait a yr earlier than planting your first fruit bushes

So out of your previous progress forest nearly that you simply created, you have received an enormous open area, I see inexperienced grass, I do not see numerous fruit bushes within the background, and so you’re beginning once more.

I’m. And so you have received the teachings that you simply introduced with you from the previous, from all of your experiences rising fruit bushes. So might you share the primary lesson that you simply introduced with you to this new website? Completely. and I informed individuals this for years, this comes from my permaculture coaching, and it is actually Ties into my fourth lesson, which we will discuss in a short while, however that is spend a yr on a website earlier than you make any main adjustments, spend time observing, determine what is going on on within the area.

This is the factor. We’ve a big greenhouse deliberate for this property. And my aim was to get it constructed. The summer time that we arrived and it did not get constructed. It simply, there was a lot occurring and I do not know that it is going to get in-built 2024. And if I’d have constructed it after we arrived in 2022, it might have been within the fallacious place.

And we’ve got a hen coop plan. And if we would have put the hen coop in after we first arrived, it might have been within the fallacious place. So one piece of recommendation for me for individuals is take note of your area for not less than a yr. Earlier than you make any main adjustments and also you’re on the lookout for, the place’s the solar at?

Trigger on December twenty first, the solar’s decrease within the sky and on June twenty first, it is greater within the sky. And the way does it journey and the place’s your true South and the place does water stream in your property? That is an enormous one. within the desert the place we received seven inches of rain a yr, it was You recognize, it was necessary to know the place the water was coming from in order that we might protect it.

What I am discovering right here, the place we get 35 to 45 inches of rain a yr, is that realizing the place the water flows so we do not flood ourself out is absolutely necessary. So, spending a yr taking note of issues will, will Assist you immensely. Now I am not speaking. Do not put in a backyard. We put in a backyard.

The primary weekend we had been right here, however fruit bushes final quite a bit longer than a backyard. You’ll be able to transfer the backyard, the fruit bushes. I completely agree with you that the time and that considerate means of determining which fruit bushes you wish to develop, researching them, and so they will not be the identical ones. If you happen to lived fairly far-off, you might have had a profitable expertise with one kind of tree, in Arizona, however you are in a brand new location.

So I feel that is sensible. It is, arduous to do, however such as you say, you’ll be able to occupy your self along with your little non permanent gardens, rising your cucumbers and tomatoes. Precisely. Sure. Okay. In order that’s lesson primary.

Greg’s second lesson: Perceive IPM

Let’s go on to the second lesson that you simply introduced with you. Oh my gosh. Oh pricey. So yeah, this was a, thoughts bender for me.

I believed that in Phoenix we had pest points and on reflection, as a result of, we get 35 to 45 inches of rain right here, we get seven inches of rain there. It is, quite a bit much less inexperienced, quite a bit much less bugs, quite a bit much less issues there. And the pest strain on a scale of 1 to 10. And once I say pest strain, I am speaking molds and funguses and bugs and beavers and squirrels and deer and all of these things on a scale of 1 to 10, the pest strain right here is like 9 and three quarters.

Wow. So it was one thing that I needed to actually. Nonetheless, I’ve to proceed taking note of what is going on on within the area and, easy methods to handle for it. I, I planted, and we’re gonna discuss this a short while, however I planted 160 fruit bushes and berry bushes over the summer time this yr. Wow.

That was an enormous venture. And nothing I’ve ever skilled in my life, even planting all of the bushes that I planted in Phoenix. So on a Saturday in July, we planted six, 4 stone fruit tree, 4 apples and two stone fruit bushes. So a peach and a apricot or one thing like that. Received them planted within the floor out in my new orchard.

And I got here again out on within the orchard on Thursday and the bushes had been about 4 ft tall, had had been filled with leaves. They had been fully stripped. All of the leaves had been gone.

One thing had come and eaten the leaves. Nicely, seems it was deer. Oh boy. Yeah. And I used to be on the point of plant out one other 40.

Oh, fruit bushes on Saturday.

So I name my buddy, Scott Murray. He is with fringe of city farm in San Diego. He is a farmer advisor there. And I stated, Oh my gosh, what do I do? He stated, boy, Greg, do I’ve an answer for you? And it is actually an answer.

Oh, he stated, take cayenne pepper. And I powdered it

and I added an oz. of cayenne pepper and a gallon of water and a pump sprayer.

And I added a little bit little bit of dish cleaning soap to make this cayenne pepper sticky and I went out and sprayed.

So we planted on Saturday. We planted 40 stone fruit and mulberries and that type of stuff on Saturday and I went out Saturday afternoon and I sprayed every thing. with this cayenne pepper combination. And effectively, so here is the factor.

I did not spray the mulberries as a result of I did not suppose they had been going to have an interest within the mulberries. And so they had been all in a line. all of the fruit bushes had been within the line. So, simply the final two mulberries on every row, I did not spray. Nicely, I got here again Sunday morning and the, Mulberries had been stripped and not one of the different bushes, not one of the different bushes had been touched.

Wow. Precisely. That is superb. That is good to know. However how usually are you going to should spray that? Will you need to construct some fencing? Superb query. So, I sprayed it after each time it rained all through the remainder of the summer time and into the autumn till I did not anymore. And that was someday in mid October.

And what I discovered, and the opposite factor is, that these specific 40 bushes are within the path of the deer is within the deer path, as a result of on reflection, I went and seemed and I might see deer poop alongside the best way. So, what I discovered was that they received the message. One, a number of springs and so they did not contact them anymore, even after it rained.

So the critters are good. Attention-grabbing. So do you are feeling you’ll get away with out having to construct plenty of fencing there as a result of that provides up and that is numerous effort and time. I am intending that. Nicely, here is the remainder of the story. So the opposite factor I added to this concoction, um, was garlic, liquid garlic.

So I figured cayenne pepper and liquid garlic. They’re each pure. I am going to get them on there. And I added foliar feed. So I added fish emulsion, kelp emulsion, and a few humic acid. So I am in permaculture. We discuss one thing referred to as stacking capabilities. Stacking capabilities implies that we’ve got an, a one thing, and we do a number of issues with it.

So spraying, taking my time to spray these vegetation, if I used to be simply spraying them with a cayenne pepper to maintain the deer away, that is one stack. The second stack is to fertilize on the similar time. So the good factor is, if I am on the market as soon as every week fertilizing, I may also be placing cayenne pepper on it on the similar time and the bushes and vegetation will do quite a bit higher.

And the fertilizer is. Oh, fish emulsion. Yeah, the garlic was to maintain the, maintain the animals away. So the foliar feeding with the fish emulsion. And on the similar time, you’re defending from deer and different critters. Oh, great. Multi functional. That’s so incredible. Wow. Okay. So that’s the second lesson is pest strain.

I’d guess as effectively that it is very important know built-in pest administration, or, mainly easy methods to acknowledge, the indicators of various pests, as a result of I am positive the pests there are completely different. Yep. If you do not know what you will have, it is very arduous to guard your bushes from that factor. So did you will have a lot expertise with IPM, built-in pest administration?

I went again to school late in life. In 1999, I went again to Arizona State College. I used to be 39 years previous and I received a bachelor’s diploma in plant biology, sociology, and concrete planning. And In my coursework at Arizona State College, I took a whole semester of built-in pest administration. So I do know what it’s.

I do know, easy methods to go about it. And actually, what someone must know, in case you’re keen on not utilizing chemical substances, the And even in case you’re utilizing chemical substances, the very first thing you want to distinguish completely 100% is what’s the pest determine what the pest is and see if it is actually an issue as a result of numerous instances, individuals have a look at a bug and it is oh my gosh, there is a bug right here.

I received to kill it. And generally these bugs are superb, like ladybugs. Yeah, ladybugs. Yeah, I’ve had that have. Nicely, yeah, I am positive you do too. You get emails and texts from individuals. It is oh my gosh, what is that this bug? How do I kill it? Oh, no, do not kill it. It is your buddy. Precisely. Or the opposite one is that, I sprayed my whole neem tree as a result of there have been bugs on it and, it did not assist the bugs.

The bugs are nonetheless there. Nicely, once more, you want to know what the pest is with a view to know easy methods to deal with it. And I say a majority of the time pests aren’t bugs, aren’t a pest. They don’t seem to be an issue. So determine that out first. Know what you are, know what you are treating first. Yeah. My philosophy is with pests and illnesses.

Each completely different kind of fruit tree has a restricted variety of pests and illnesses that they should take care of. If you happen to can study these, you understand what to acknowledge. So I feel that is actually necessary what you are saying. Now, I am lacking our listeners. Now, I do not know if we really are reside on YouTube. I feel so.

Do you see any messages? Okay, good. We’re. Ryan Baldridge is on the market. Thanks for being right here, Ryan. And, there’s a number of individuals watching. Unbelievable. Thanks all people for tuning in. I am glad you discovered us. Put your classes into the dialog on YouTube. I’m, have delegated, Greg is the man who’s going to be wanting on the messages as a result of I am unable to determine easy methods to discover them.

Clearly I am not a technical wizard, however I am actually glad we’re on the market doing one thing reside as a result of I like doing this for my listeners and with my listeners. I at all times discover my reveals are actually collaborative. And so usually the listeners have higher questions than I’ve. So maintain, eager about it.

If you happen to’re listening to this reside and pop your questions into the query field. Nicely, and that is what, I do the city farm podcast. And the rationale I do the podcast is in order that I get individuals questions, individuals’s questions, they don’t seem to be questions I usually take into consideration. Oh, completely. Yeah. Yeah, completely.

And all of us have completely different experiences as a result of we reside in numerous places. So I completely love having the chance to study what different persons are grappling with in order that I can then analysis it, provide you with solutions that we will all study from. So, all proper, we have our first lesson. We have got our second lesson.

Greg’s third lesson: Your first backyard is your worst backyard

Let’s transfer to the third lesson. Greg’s third lesson that he took with him from his city farm to his new website. Yeah, so I arrived right here. We arrived on a Friday night time. We unloaded our trailer. We had a trailer after which a transferring truck introduced the remainder of our stuff. The, we arrived on a Friday night time and unloaded on Saturday.

After which on Sunday, we took the trailer again to a U Haul dealership over on one of many native, cities. And throughout the road was a nursery. So it was like, I stated, come on, let’s go store. It is a downside. And. So I went and purchased a few baggage of soil, and I already had some pots that I introduced with me, and I introduced some tomatoes and some different issues that we received them planted within the floor and in pots, and now I planted my first backyard in 1975, and I get right here simply considering, all proper, I’ll plant stuff, and that is going to, we will harvest, and it is going to be nice.

And it was a complete flop. My backyard burnt out. It was, I should not have even bothered. Though I wanted to hassle with a view to study the teachings that I, precisely. Yeah. And I am on the cellphone with Zach Brooks from Arizona Worm Farm sooner or later and sharing a little bit bit about this. And he says, Greg, do not forget your first backyard is your worst backyard.

Nicely, I hadn’t had a primary backyard in over 40 years. So, I wanted that little reminder and, the tomatoes tanked and the squash did not do something and, it is simply, it was a multitude. It was a multitude. So, I assume with this lesson, it is about self compassion since you needed to do it.

You do not know what the issues are till you begin enjoying with the soil and seeing what you have received brilliantly stated. Yeah. Yeah. So it is not like you wouldn’t do the identical factor once more. Possibly you would possibly do seeds slightly than costly vegetation. Possibly, Most likely not. Most likely not. You’d have accomplished the entire thing simply precisely the identical over again.

Yeah. Wow. First backyard is your worst backyard. And I had by no means heard that earlier than.

Recommendation from skilled growers from the North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) group

Now I had put this query out on Fb and there’s an incredible group on Fb. They’re referred to as the North American Fruit Explorers, NAIFEX. They’ve a superb Fb web page that I get pleasure from. And I’ve informed my listeners about them earlier than.

They’re great. So I’m going on Nafex and I say, guys, what are your 5 prime classes? If you happen to had been recommending one thing to a brand new grower, or in case you had been transferring to a brand new website? So I am simply going to learn a number of feedback and we’ll see what you and I take into consideration them. Yeah. Okay.

Labels and map your fruit bushes

So one which I cherished was from Eric from Central Illinois.

Eric says, Label, in pot, on pot, on tree, on map. Labels get misplaced and also you overlook and then you definately get unhappy. I’ve been unhappy so many instances, Eric, so once I noticed that remark, I am like, oh sure. As a result of whenever you’re within the throws of planting, you are all excited and one way or the other you are planting seven bushes and you are like, Oh, which one is which.

So has that ever occurred to you, Greg, or is it simply me? Oh, sure, it has. Okay. Yeah. And, now that I am really so a part of what I am doing right here is I am being an elderberry orchard grower. Oh, I am really, entering into the elderberry rising enterprise. So I’ve to know which selection is which there.

after which I introduced in 10 completely different kinds of experimental stone fruit from California which can be hybrids which can be purported to be extra resilient. So In each of these instances, I’ve to know what the fruit bushes are, completely. So now you understand, because of Eric, label, label, in pot, on tree, and on map.

And that mapping factor is one thing that I solely simply began to study. I am now working with Steph Roth of Silver Creek Nursery to do a grafting course. Oh sure. We train our college students grafting and one of many key issues is to create a map of your website, not solely exhibiting you which ones bushes you will have the place, however which of them have extra grafted branches.

Are the branches on the north aspect, on the south aspect, so you’ll find these branches later. So, okay, let’s do one other level.

Purchase later ripening varieties (or early in case you reside in a heat local weather)

This one was from Mike. Mike didn’t say the place Mike is from. Okay, Mike says, later ripening varieties are nearly at all times extra dependable. They bloom later, and they’re much less inclined to spring frost, and so they style higher.

Extra time for the sugars to develop. That is an attention-grabbing level. And I am guessing that Mike lives in a chilly local weather. Is that true as effectively in case you reside in a hotter local weather? Sounds prefer it. No, within the low desert, we’d like earlier ripening fruit as a result of the issue we run into within the desert is that if it will get so scorching in July that in case you have a July, August, September, October ripening delicate flesh fruit, they only cook dinner on the bushes.

Oh, I see. However that is nice. That is one other nice level. Relying on the place you reside, you actually have to think about when are the ripening instances. Precisely. Wow. Except you need pre cooked applesauce, you do not have to take the factor off, the apples off the tree. You simply take the mushy apple and simply eat it like it’s.

There you go. There you go. I, particularly picked the newest ripening fruits. Bear in mind these 10 experimental stone fruit that I introduced in? Sure. I introduced in two of every, a range. And I purposely picked those that ripen in October and, September and October. Okay. Due to that. So, we’ll see.

So, we’ll see. That is one other knowledgeable. We’ll should tune in subsequent yr and see the way you do. Yeah. Okay. Let’s learn one other one.

Elevate the planting zone

Miriam writes, essentially the most success I’ve had is with citrus in South Louisiana, Hardiness Zones 8B and 9A. I would say. Elevate the planting zone. Water when dry the primary three years. Use a soaker hose or sprinkler, however don’t let a sprinkler contact the trunk.

That is attention-grabbing, her level about elevating the planting zone. What does that say to you? Oh, I do know precisely what she’s speaking about. Inform us. Mainly, and Tom Spellman, you have had Tom in your present earlier than. He is a rock star. I like the work that he does. Tom Spellman talks about, particularly with dense clay soil.

If you happen to dig at floor degree and plant the tree at floor degree into the bottom. The drainage is usually a downside. So for these of you which have actually dense soils, in case you put the tree up on a mound, increase the tree up six or eight inches so that you’ve got a mound and also you plant it on a mound within the center. You’ll be able to even construct a mattress.

I’ve seen Tom in a few of his movies, he builds after which vegetation the tree, on the prime of the mattress. Okay. six or eight inches above, it is going to do quite a bit higher as a result of you’ll be able to amend the soil quite a bit higher that approach and, the, water can drain off higher. So that is the priority is an excessive amount of water, however in case you have too little water, then the water will simply roll off your mound onto the encircling areas, Sure, ish. And even within the desert. So we’ve got one thing in Arizona referred to as Caliche. Caliche is like cement filth. And even within the desert, we’ve got this downside. And in case you put an excessive amount of water within the gap, it will sit there. Actually, Janice works with me. She’s the supervisor of every thing city farm and When she went to plant her fruit bushes in her yard, she did a perk take a look at, a percolation take a look at to see how lengthy it might take for the holes to empty.

And she or he got here again 48 hours later and so they had been nonetheless fully full. Oh, attention-grabbing. So, if that is the case, that tree will die inside the first six months as a result of there isn’t any drainage. You are simply going to drown the tree. One train I like doing after we plant fruit bushes is you dig the opening a day or two prematurely, or much more, earlier than you even purchase the tree, you pour in some water, you look ahead to it to empty out, then you definately pour in some extra water, and look ahead to it to empty out.

And if all of it drains out okay in an inexpensive period of time, you understand you will have good soil to work with. Precisely. But when it by no means drains out and you’ve got a little bit pot, like with a bunch of water in it, perhaps it is time to search for a unique location to place your tree in or dig a much bigger gap or dig a much bigger gap.

Sure. Yep. So there are alternatives. Or, yeah, perhaps hookah tradition, which we talked about in, final month’s episode. So, there’s completely different choices. In order that was an incredible level.

Be part of the North American Fruit Explorers

I wish to do yet another level after which we’ll have a number of phrases from our sponsors. This level is from Leslie from Georgia and she or he writes, and we had been speaking about it.

Her one piece of recommendation is be a part of the North American Fruit Explorers. There are numerous advantages to a paid membership, together with, and the paid membership is like 19, together with entry to many recorded webinars from among the finest fruit growers within the U. S. and Canada. Wow. Thanks, Leslie. Leslie’s pretty. Okay, so Greg, we have to discuss your final two classes, and I’ve some extra incredible factors from the Fb, contributors.

perhaps throughout our business break, you’ll be able to take a look and see if there’s any questions on, the YouTube reside feed. However within the meantime, are you able to maintain in there for a minute or two whereas we take heed to some phrases from our sponsors? Let’s do it. Okay, let me share my display screen. Let’s examine how I am going to do this.

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Introduction to half 2

All proper, effectively we’re again and you’re listening to the City Forestry Radio Present and Podcast dropped at you by the Fruit Tree Care Coaching web site, orchardpeople. com. I am your host, Susan Poizner, and right this moment we’re broadcasting on YouTube Dwell. So in case you’re tuned to the reside present, we might love to listen to from you.

Put your questions or your feedback or your salutations into the YouTube chat and bear in mind to inform us the place you are listening from. We might like to know. So within the present right this moment, I have been speaking to Greg Peterson of urbanfarm. org and we have been speaking about Greg’s 5 prime fruit tree care classes that he is discovered rising fruit bushes for over 30 years on the identical website.

Now that he is moved to a brand new property, he is instructing us the teachings that he is bringing with him to the brand new website. So these classes be useful for us even when we’re rising, whether or not we will transfer to a brand new website and even on the websites that we’re already on. So, Greg, welcome again. Thanks. So, you have been holding an eye fixed.

Planting is trios

Do we’ve got any questions on YouTube Dwell? We do. Ryan has requested an incredible query. He is in Jacksonville, Florida. He says, I am planning an experimental orchard in Dwell Oak, Florida. What are your ideas on utilizing Stefan Sobkowiak’s methods? It is a arduous one to pronounce. Onerous one to pronounce. Sorry, Stefan.

On planting fruit bushes trios. For, IPM. I am Ryan. I am unsure that I do know what Stefan is as much as. Nonetheless, there is a clue right here within the message and it says planting fruit tree trios. And what he means by that we really had Stefan on the present. He is such an attention-grabbing character. So if, and Ryan can make clear as effectively.

So it is about mixing, Native bushes or a nitrogen fixing bushes along with fruit bushes. Ah, attention-grabbing. So, and also you wish to get the advantage of such as you’ve informed me up to now that generally in actually scorching climates, you’ll plant a tree. Behind your fruit tree to shade it a bit to guard the fruit from cooking on the tree So with stefan’s strategy, he is in quebec.

It is not likely that it is extra about pruning the native and nitrogen fixing bushes to Launch nitrogen into the soil that can assist to feed the fruit bushes So it is about interplanting with nitrogen fixing bushes. Is that one thing that you have accomplished a lot of or Sure ish Okay, one of many issues that we do within the desert, and I am nonetheless studying right here the place I am at now, however one of many issues that we do within the desert is we at all times on the west aspect of no matter you are planting, you want to put shade so that you simply’re offering some type of afternoon shade to your bushes and vegetation and.

There’s two sorts of shade. There’s the type that you simply pay for, so placing up some type of shade construction, and there is the type that you simply develop. And so we at all times are suggesting planting some native mesquites or palo verdes or ironwood bushes. All three are nitrogen fixers, however planting them on the west aspect of your backyard in order that it is offering you some afternoon shade.

Gotcha. Yeah. And handle. I am so completely satisfied to say that I did discover our feed so I can see Brian’s query now. That is very thrilling. Good. That is so thrilling know-how. Sure. And that is one thing from Tom Spellman. We talked about Tom Spellman from Dave Wilson. He was in your present just lately. Sure. They created an idea a few a long time in the past referred to as yard orchard tradition.

Yard orchard tradition is about holding our bushes small in order that they’re simpler to handle. And we will plant extra completely different varieties. So one customary measurement peach tree might simply be 30 ft in diameter and 30 ft tall. And in someone’s yard, that is creating approach an excessive amount of fruit. And the fruit of the highest of a 30 foot tree is fowl meals.

Precisely. It is wasted. So what Tom in yard orchard tradition talks about is that if we maintain our bushes at six to eight ft tall. We are able to put in that very same 30 foot diameter area, we will put eight or 10 different bushes. And what we do is we plant them in order that they ripen at completely different instances. We name this successive ripening.

And. So like for me and Phoenix are, desert gold peach ripened in mid Could, the tropic snow peach ripened initially of June and the mid pleasure peach ripened on the finish of June, so rapidly we will get nearly two months price of peaches out of that very same area that in case you would have had one peach tree.

And so what. They discuss in, yard orchard tradition is digging one large gap and planting three bushes just like the three I simply talked about. Oh, I see. Yeah, so that they are actual shut collectively. And in case you’re planting them 18 inches aside, which you are able to do, and allow them to develop, they will every tree could have a 3rd of the area that you simply planted them in, and so they’ll ripen at completely different instances.

Sure, very attention-grabbing stuff. effectively, Ryan, thanks for that query. That is great. to see you on the market. okay,

Greg’s fourth lesson: Listen and observe

so let’s go to your lesson quantity 4, Greg. So what’s your lesson quantity 4? Oh, that is actually in permaculture. This was what all of it boils right down to. And that is noticed.

Listen and observe. And we talked about this in, spend a yr on website earlier than you make any main adjustments. I would like you taking note of the seasons, to the place the leaves are fallen, the place the wind is coming from, the place the water’s coming from. And commentary is absolutely key to your success for rising something.

And bear in mind my backyard first backyard is your worst backyard. We had some superb, amazingly unhealthy ends in our first backyard, particularly round tomatoes, even the second yr. In order that was 22 was our first yr. 23 is my second backyard. So final yr’s backyard on a scale of 1 to 10 was a few 0. 2. With 10 being essentially the most profitable this yr, we received to about 4.

So we’re, I am beginning to study and combine and that type of stuff.

How Greg vegetation new bushes

One of many issues that I do, I’ve a really particular approach of planting fruit bushes. You dig a gap and that is correlating from Phoenix to Asheville. And I checked it fully out right here in Asheville with the powers that be right here.

And so they stated, sure, they gave me two thumbs up. You dig a sq. gap, two foot by two foot. a foot deep. You’re taking 40 p.c of the filth out of that gap, put it within the wheelbarrow. You add two kilos of worm castings. That is received soil life and diet in it. You add two kilos of azomite or another type of rock mud.

That is a mineral. That is a vitamin tablet to your tree. And, two ounces of mycorrhiza. And that will get all blended up within the wheelbarrow, after which I plant the bushes. After which what I do, each right here and in Phoenix, is I put a very good, layer, six inch layer of woody mulch across the tree base. that holds in moisture.

So, bear in mind the worm castings? I made my very own worm castings right here and that is the best way I select to compost proper now as a result of I hate to throw meals waste away, so I am composting the meals waste in my worm bin. In Could of this yr, I knocked out my worm bin and harvested the worm castings. it is, a stream by way of bin, so that you knock the edges of it, the worm castings fall out of the underside.

Now I’ve recent Worm castings. I took a handful of these worm castings and I put them in each single gap. I did not have two kilos as a result of I did not have that a lot, however I unfold them all through your entire 160 fruit bushes. All of them received, um, a handful of worm castings. What occurred was tomatoes got here up from these worm castings.

So that is our meals scraps coming from the kitchen. They’ll the worm bin. The worms do what they do. They do not eat the seeds. The worms come out of the worm bin and go into my backyard. Abruptly I had 40. or so completely different tomato vegetation rising within the rows of fruit bushes that I planted. Late August, September and October, we had been harvesting 5 to seven, 5 to eight kilos of tomatoes each different day.

A lot in order that I put up a down on the road. I put a desk down there and it stated free tomatoes from Greg and Heidi’s natural farm. And we made numerous buddies that approach. That. And what I noticed, so going again to my lesson, what I noticed about that’s that after we over have a tendency in pots, our tomatoes, they’ve extra of an issue.

Those that had been within the rows with all of the fruit bushes received rainwater. That is all they received. They did not get something further, and we did not have the, there’s this melange, I do not know precisely what it’s, that comes up and turns the tomato vegetation black from the bottom up right here, and that didn’t occur in our rows.

out within the orchard. So unimaginable, observe, observe, I do know.

Greg’s lesson #5: Planting 150 bushes is completely different than planting 5

So, okay, let’s do lesson quantity 5 after which we’ll rapidly undergo a number of extra feedback earlier than we wrap up the present. What’s lesson quantity 5? Lesson quantity 5 is, oh my gosh, planting 150 fruit bushes is approach completely different than planting 5.

Now, it takes planning to plant 5, however me and a, me and my proper hand and me and my left hand might dig the holes and plant 5 fruit bushes. We really planted 160 bushes and I dug 38 of the holes and it was like, okay, I am accomplished. Sure. Yeah. I am accomplished. So it took much more planning. I really had supposed to plant my orchards.

On the, in Could, and as I used to be getting within the planning course of and getting within the determining course of, I found that I did not have the capability to get every thing accomplished that I wanted to get accomplished. So I needed to rent individuals. And our first spherical was planting 105 elderberries, blueberries, service berries, within the first orchard, and there have been, I paid two guys to complete digging my holes for me, after which I had, 5 individuals come and assist plant.

So I really had seven individuals assist me on that. After which the second orchard I had, I take into consideration 5 individuals serving to me with that as effectively. So it is simply, it is much more work when whenever you’re scaling up, that is primarily what I am doing. And, that is an exquisite lesson to share as a result of for these of us who’re actually dedicated to planting naked root bushes, in case you had simply had, 150 naked root bushes that you want to plant inside two days, Yep.

And it is simply you, your left hand and your proper hand. Yep. It might be a problem and their bushes might die consequently. In order that’s a very good lesson. Okay, let’s undergo a number of extra, I’ve simply two extra feedback from Fb.

Dig holes for bushes effectively prematurely

Jamie from Oregon writes, dig the opening effectively prematurely as a result of it is extra work than you suppose.

Nicely, that is attention-grabbing. Completely. Jamie provides, canker is terrible and prevalent right here. Bear in mind you want room to stroll across the tree outdoors the drip line whereas it is brief. So make the fence greater. Positively make a fence as a result of even then the deer will climb the fence to prune for you. huh. That is a pleasant one.

Learn to graft fruit bushes

Olga in Kentucky says, and I like this one, learn to graft. Exchanging scion wooden is cheaper than paying 100 per tree, and you’ll not beat your self up in case you kill that tree. Oh, you would possibly. Oh, lastly, we’ve got yet another. And I like that once more, as a result of as I stated, this yr, we will be launching our, at orchardpeople.

com, there’s going to be the brand new grafting course the place we train each grafting and buddying, and we take you thru all of it by way of the seasons, and it is a lot enjoyable. Grafting is a lot enjoyable. I adore it. Okay. Closing remark I’ve right here from Fb,

The significance of thinning the fruit in your tree

Johannes from Manitoba says, there’s, I’ve just one factor so as to add.

Skinny your fruit or the tree will endure. Do you wanna discuss that a little bit bit? As a result of that is completely one thing that numerous new growers do not do? there’s two components. I am gonna prolong it a little bit bit. To begin with, prune your tree. Sure. A a unpruned tree is a recipe for catastrophe.

The significance of appropriate fruit tree pruning

Sure. I, about 15 years in the past, a buddy of mine stated, Greg, are you able to come over and check out my mother’s peach tree in her yard? One thing occurred with it. And so they, peaches are notoriously, they develop lengthy branches and the fruit grows out on the finish of the branches. And I received to their home and this poor tree had main breaks that from simply heavy fruit, an excessive amount of fruit on it.

And I ended up pruning the tree again for her as a result of she was a very good buddy of mine. And what I ended up with was a few three foot tall stump simply because there was a lot harm accomplished. So making, pruning cuts, you can’t be afraid to make pruning cuts. in reality, if I used to be at a nursery and there was a potted tree and there was a 3 foot tall potted tree, with an inch diameter base on it and a six foot tall tree with a half inch diameter base on it, I’d take the shorter tree.

After which once I pre planted the tree, I’d prune it again most likely 40 p.c. And I do know that freaks individuals out, however that is going to present you, we’ve got a saying in, our program, roots, then shoots, then fruits. So you need to, get actually good at being keen to prune your bushes as a result of in case you do not, you get an excessive amount of fruit out on the ends and the branches can break and in business orchard tradition.

I’m informed they depart one fruit each three to 4 inches. And it is simple for a peach tree to get 4 to eight fruit in that three to 4 inches. So you consider it logically, to illustrate there’s 4 to eight fruit. A part of you would possibly look and say, Oh, I get extra fruits out of this. But when the fruit cannot develop to full measurement, you get 4 to eight arduous, not tasty.

Yucky little peaches, versus one large, juicy, effectively ripened peach. There are such a lot of good causes to learn to prune accurately. Yeah, precisely. I had an attention-grabbing factor occur about 15 years in the past on the City Farm in Phoenix. We had a late season frost, and the frost knocked about 80 p.c of the fruit off of the tree.

And your first thought is, oh my gosh, that is a nasty factor. However what occurred was, Is that 20 p.c of the fruit that was left was greater and tastier and higher. And we nonetheless ended up with about 80 to 100 fruit off of that tree that yr. That is loads of peaches for my household and buddies over a two week interval.

I like, the way you tied in thinning the fruit with pruning as a result of pruning is definitely a kind of thinning, proper? You’re strategically eradicating whole branches to enhance the construction of the tree in order that the tree can put extra vitality into the remaining branches and the remaining fruit. Once more, would you slightly have plenty of crappy fruit or much less fruit however very nice high quality?

So yet another factor about pruning. This is what I inform individuals to do about pruning their bushes. Let the tree develop to the scale and form that you really want it, after which when branches attain out previous that measurement and form, minimize it off. As a result of your tree can spend a whole summer time rising branches which can be 4, 5, six ft above the cover that you really want it to be.

It is a waste of vitality. Since you’re simply going to come back in and prune them off. So one of many issues that I do is I carry in my again pocket, my pruners once I’m out within the orchard and once I see a department getting outdoors of what I would like it to be, I simply minimize it off. Growth. It is historical past. Yep. Historical past. Nicely, superb.

What a incredible remark. Oh my goodness. This present has gone in a short time. This has gone in a short time. let’s have one other fast have a look at our buddies right here on YouTube, Ryan and a few chat right here. Oh, great. Nicely, I wanna do a particular thanks to Ryan, our participatory listener. Thanks a lot.

Appreciation for Apple Podcast rankings and opinions

I, I am sorry to all people that we’re not on actuality Radio 1 0 1, and I wanna ship my finest needs to the employees of Actuality Radio 1 0 1. So he will probably be again in his chair, hopefully quickly and wholesome and, able to go. a number of different issues I would wish to say, I wish to thank the individuals. It is actually arduous to get individuals to seek out my podcast on Apple Podcasts as a result of there’s so many good podcasts there.

So when individuals price and evaluate the present, it helps others discover. The present. So I wish to thank D. R. L. from the U. S. who wrote in his apple podcast evaluate. Nice present. If you happen to’re getting began on rising fruit bushes and wish to give your bushes the perfect likelihood of survival and excessive productiveness long run. Thanks.

D. R. L. for that great evaluate on the city forestry radio present web page. And we have one other one. One other evaluate from Gardner and chef who wrote Wonderful visitors, good questions requested. So, oh, after which here is a extremely nice one. An additional particular thanks to listener Jenny from Finland. Yay Jenny! I am so happy.

So Jenny writes, One in all my absolute favourite gardening podcasts. One I hope extra individuals would discover. Yay! Thanks, Yenny. Aw, is not that good? Yeah. So, thanks a lot to all of the listeners who’ve gone on to, Apple Podcasts to price, to evaluate the present. So appreciated.

How one can study extra about Greg

So, if individuals wish to know extra about you, Greg, the place can they go to seek out out about you?

Nicely, I’ve my podcast at urbanfarmpodcast. com. And, that’ll take you to my urbanfarm. org web site and in addition my fruit tree program. So I do a fruit tree schooling program for the low desert and we educate although a pair thousand individuals a yr within the low desert on easy methods to develop fruit bushes. Attention-grabbing.

I am discovering that numerous the methods that we use work right here in Asheville as effectively. And you’ll find out about that at fruittrees. org. Wonderful. Okay.

How one can study extra about Susan and her fruit tree schooling web site

And likewise for people, who wish to discover this podcast, different episodes, and even this episode in video type, you’ll be able to simply go over to the Orchard Folks YouTube channel.

And I’m now making all my audio podcasts into video podcasts the place you’ll be able to see me and my visitors. Chitty chatting as we did right this moment. Good. And I additionally edit in footage so you’ll be able to visualize what we’re speaking about. So it is a extra great visible expertise. So head over to the Orchard Folks YouTube channel and click on on subscribe.

Or you’ll be able to go to Apple Podcasts. And you would subscribe there. Presently the present continues to be referred to as The City Forestry Radio Present. You’ll discover it below that however it is going to be altering very quickly. After which lastly you’ll be able to go to my web site which is orchardpeople. com If you happen to go to orchardpeople. com slash signal sprint up, you get on my mailing listing and I’ll ship you discover of upcoming reveals and all that stuff.

However on the web site itself you’ll find my podcasts, articles, programs. Okay, Greg, thanks a lot for spending time with me right this moment and my gosh, how that was a blast. Sure, it was a lot enjoyable and all of the technical stuff we received by way of it collectively. And for all of the listeners, thanks guys for tuning in. I hope to see you guys once more subsequent month, both on actuality, radio, one oh one.

com or right here on YouTube. Once more, we’ll see the way it goes. Thanks all people. Take care and bye for now.



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